- 24 July 2022 Sunday class:
Re: Bro Teoh’s Tuesday/Thursday classes dated 19 July and 21 July 2022 (Lesson 52 of the Wonderful dharma Lotus flower Sutra)
- 19 July 2022 Tuesday class:
- 19 July 2022 Thursday class:
2 7. (Pure consciousness/Awareness) C (Direct seeing) (Mundane seeing)
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Re: Bro Teoh’s Tuesday/Thursday classes dated 12 July and 14 July 2022 (Lesson 51 of the Wonderful dharma Lotus flower Sutra)
- 12 July 2022 Tuesday class:
- 14 July 2022 Thursday class:
2 7. (Pure consciousness/Awareness) C (Direct seeing) (Mundane seeing)
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Aggivacchagotta Sutta 72.18
and then we follow the Buddha as he goes on to help Vaccha retune his understanding….
The thicket of views[edit]
Vacchagotta first asks the Buddha whether he holds particular views on the extent of the cosmos, the relationship between mind and body, and the nature of a Tathagata‘s existence after death. To all the questions, Gautama Buddha simply replies he does not hold such views. Vacchagotta expresses confusion at this answer and asks why the Buddha takes no position regarding his questions.
The Buddha explains that each question leads to an unresolvable thicket of views which will cause suffering and distress if investigated. Because such investigation cannot lead to enlightened understanding and nirvana, the Buddha takes no position on these subjects. The Tathagata is released due to true discernment and cessation of clinging.
Nirvana[edit]
Vacchagotta questions further. Where does the monk who has been released reappear? The following exchange results:
- “‘Reappear,’ Vaccha, doesn’t apply.”
- “In that case, Master Gotama, he does not reappear.”
- “‘Does not reappear,’ Vaccha, doesn’t apply.”
- “…both does & does not reappear.”
- “…doesn’t apply.”
- “…neither does nor does not reappear.”
- “…doesn’t apply.”
Vacchagotta’s confusion increases. The Buddha asks him in which direction a fire goes when it has gone out. Vaccha replies that the question “does not fit the case … For the fire that depended on fuel … when that fuel has all gone, and it can get no other, being thus without nutriment, it is said to be extinct.” The Buddha then explains: “In exactly the same way …, all form by which one could predicate the existence of the saint, all that form has been abandoned, uprooted, pulled out of the ground like a palmyra-tree, and become non-existent and not liable to spring up again in the future. The saint … who has been released from what is styled form is deep, immeasurable, unfathomable, like the mighty ocean.” The same is then said of the other aggregates.[3] A tathāgata has abandoned that clinging to the personality factors that render the mind a bounded, measurable entity, and is instead “freed from being reckoned by” all or any of them, even in life. The skandhas have been seen to be a burden, and an enlightened individual is one with “burden dropped”.[4]
A variety of similar passages make it clear that the metaphor “gone out, he cannot be defined” (atthangato so na pamanam eti) refers equally to liberation in life.[5] In the Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta itself, it is clear that the Buddha is the subject of the metaphor, and the Buddha has already “uprooted” or “annihilated” the five aggregates.[6] In Sn 1074, it is stated that the sage cannot be “reckoned” because he is freed from the category “name” or, more generally, concepts. The absence of this precludes the possibility of reckoning or articulating a state of affairs; “name” here refers to the concepts or apperceptions that make propositions possible.[7]
The fire metaphor used in the Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta (which is also used elsewhere) is a radical way of making the point that the liberated sage is beyond phenomenal experience. It also makes the additional point that this indefinable, transcendent state is the sage’s state even during life. This idea goes against the early Brahminic notion of liberation at death.
With Metta always,
Bro Teoh
Sallekha Sutta, Middle Discourses, MN8: Majjhima Nikāya 8
Dear Kalyanamittas,
May All Beings Be Well, Happy, Peaceful & Safe Always.Sādhu & with mettā, EngBee
Bro Teoh’s Tuesday/Thursday classes dated 7 July and 9 July 2020 (28th and 29th Lessons of Heart Sutra Book -2nd Edition)
- 7 July 2020 Tuesday class:
28th Lesson. Heart Sutra (2nd Edition) Page 130 – 138 Complete audio of the talk can be downloaded : https://broteoh.com/wp-content/uploads/Teoh-Tue-200707.m…
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- 9 July 2020 Thursday class
29th Lesson. Heart Sutra (2nd Edition) Page 137 – 139 Complete audio of the talk can be downloaded : https://broteoh.com/wp-content/uploads/Teoh-Thu-200709.m…
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Bro Teoh’s Sunday class dated 28 June 2020 (Lesson 12: The path to Truth for modern day Bodhisattva practitioners; Pages 76-85)
- 28 June 2020 Sunday class:
Reading Material : The Path to Truth — For the Modern-day Bodhisattva Practitioner Page 76 – 85 Complete audio of the talk can be downloaded : https://broteo…
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With metta
Bro Teoh
Bro Teoh’s Sunday class dated 10 May 2020 (7th Lesson Unique Dhamma Quotes by Bro Teoh)
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Bro Teoh’s 7 April and 9 April 2020 Tuesday/Thursday classes – Heart Sutra (2nd Edition)
- 7 April 2020 Tuesday class:
4th Lesson. Heart Sutra (2nd Edition) Complete audio of the talk can be downloaded : https://broteoh.com/wp-content/uploads/Teoh-Thu-200407.mp3 Reference not…
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7th Zoom Conference hosted by Bro Teoh Complete audio of the talk can be downloaded : https://broteoh.com/wp-content/uploads/Understanding-Rebirth-Teoh-Tue-2…
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- 9 April 2020 Thursday class
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Bro Teoh’s Tuesday/Thursday classes dated 31 March and 2 April 2020
- 31 March 2020 Tuesday class:
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Heart Sutra cum Meditation Classes Short Notes Compiled from the weekly Sunday Heart Sutra cum Meditation Classes conducted by: Bro. Teoh Kian Koon
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- 2 April 2020 Thursday class
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